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  • #54

    Nidhi_Sharma
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    Have you read some of the classic fictions? May be by Dickens, Austen, Bronte Sisters or someone else. What did you find there?
    And you must have read the contemporary ones. Do you think both the kinds of fictions are different or the same? Which one of the both did you like- classics or the moderns?

  • #119

    Though, It’s a tough one to answer. We love classics but beyond all doubts, modern novels are the trendsetter. When we read Crashaw, Herbert, Donne it seems like we are travelling through the bouncers of philosophical ideas. The best art part in the modern novels is they are straightforward and written in simple language easy to understand. But, if talk this to a deeper level then classics has an edge over modern novels.

  • #126

    Though, It’s a tough one to answer. We love classics but beyond all doubts, modern novels are the trendsetter. When we read Crashaw, Herbert, Donne it seems like we are travelling through the bouncers of philosophical ideas. The best art part in the modern novels is they are straightforward and written in simple language easy to understand. But, if talk this to a deeper level then classics has an edge over modern novels.

    Though, I agree with your point of view that classic novels are elegant and written in such a decent style that everyone can be lured by the idea they used to present. But just take a look at the modern novels they are presenting something greater which classical novelist fails to do that. In order to maintain the balance between tradition and style, they failed to present something out of the box. In modern novels, you will find the equal right for gays transgenders and female too. And what I find most interesting in the modern novels that they are taking more scientific approach whereas classical are stuck o the tradition and they were afraid to break the cycle.

  • #131

    It’s going very smoothly people are out there considering both facts as true and providing their depth analysis of their readings. I don’t have enough experience in reading classical novels so I can’t let you know about their outcomes. But I have gone through many modern novels especially of Amita Ghosh, William Golding, and Atwood. Look at the core of their idea they are representing something different than the Victorian novelist use t do. Like lord of the flies and the hungry tide these ni=vels present real-life pictures. Though Lord of the files is a dystopian novel but it still claims to define something in a proper way that can be beneficial for the ou=ome of a better society. You can go for the Mockingbird or 1984 these novels presented life events in the pretty fashionable way like traditional inner is mix with Italian wine. So, I admire modern novels.

  • #143

    Really, I am feeling like a bit of handicap in dealing with this situation. Whether to pick modern novels or classical. If you consider classical novels as trendsetter then we must have to consider that modern novel are trend breakers. Classical novels were restricted to certain limitations of themes. Take a look of Austen’s novels or Bronte’s you can easily analyse the constancy of theme. But in modern novels of Marget Mitchell, William Golding, Tolkien’s you will find vivid kind of themes. I will pick modern novels has an edge over classical novels because of the certain strong work was done by their writings.

    • #144

      It is nice to hear from you that you are admiring modern novels. Indeed, modern fiction has some internal qualities due to versatile themes. But If you take a deep look into the classical novels they were also written on a variety of themes. At that time there was the scarcity of modernization that’s why we usually get those kinds of plots. But in the Dickens’s novels, one can find the elements of modernization. As far as it was trendsetting classical novels are greater than modern ones. If we try to compare the novels of Willaim Thackrey to the novels of Paulo Coehlo it’s highly unfair. They are of different class and their writings are different too. Classical novelist expresses the emotions in pretty realistic words and readers get the equal response what they are willing to get after reading a novel. Just pick a modern fiction narrative are not strong to captivate the readers’ joy.

  • #147

    Look, this debate is going towards the dialogues of basic differences between themes and plots. If we try to figure out a bigger picture from this debate we have to frame something different. Just try to find the real-life relevance o these works. Take a work of Jane Austen, like Pride and Prejudice; still, Darcy appeal is available in this world. The immortality of Darcy and his words are so close to the hearts of readers. And another novel by a modern fiction writer Arunthathi Roy you can find the novel with a mix propaganda and a slice touch of a punctured narrative. This is what I find the major difference between the modern and classical writers.

  • #155

    Yes, it’s true that modern novels and classical ones are just opposite of each other. If you compare contemporary novels with the classics of Austen and Hardy you will end up with a exploded head. What a scarp I am reading. Ideas in modern novels are not so strong enough to hold the acclaims of critics. It may be stastify the taste and fancy of readers but it does not make an everlasting impact on the readers.

  • #162

    Really it’s an interesting one. I have learned a lot from this forum. I have read some of the novels by both authors. But really I don’t have the knowledge to differentiate between these two aspects of literature.

  • #172

    Both have equal importance in the field of literature it totally depends on our perception of how we want to be perceived. someone like modern fiction and some like classical due to their taste and preferences. Someone who has not witnessed something classic in his entire life then surely he will not like classical novels. And the exact opposite of a student of English literature or a veteran will surely love classical novels and they will hate the modern too.

  • #182

    It’s like a debate of dualisms of body and mind. Where one is holding the practical ground and other uses to create fancies. We can not ignore any of the two great aspects of english literature. Where one is famous for his delicacy and other for his realism.

  • #186

    Yes, it’s true that modern novels and classical ones are just opposite of each other. If you compare contemporary novels with the classics of Austen and Hardy you will end up with a exploded head. What a scarp I am reading. Ideas in modern novels are not so strong enough to hold the acclaims of critics. It may be stastify the taste and fancy of readers but it does not make an everlasting impact on the readers.

    It is a bit harsh to say like this that modern novels are nothing but craps. The novel of Amitav Ghosh is truly based on realism. I have read his novel the hungry tied in which he tries to present a narrative that can make an impact on the settings if that area. I also respect classical novelists and admire them too. But in generalization, we cannot say like this that modern m=novels are nothing to compare with them. Especially novels after the 80s are becoming more factual than the fancy tell.

  • #194

    Amit_Mishra
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    Such an elegant discussion is going on about modern and classical fiction. Both works occupy an important place in the world of English literature. Whether you read an old one or new one the central idea will be the same but there will a slight change in subplot due to modernization. Like Bacon introduced the scientific approach in literature. After that most of the works are inclined towards logic rather than myths and legends. We always refer victorian novelists as classical novelists. of course, they had a different approach to writing compare to modern novelists. The arguments, elegance, style, and themes are way different than the modern ones. Indeed it’s true that modern novelists are trying to create a bigger theme but they often use to mi=x certain propaganda in the novel. That extracts the beauty of art and makes it a normal piece of work. If I have to make a choice I will prefer classical novels ahead o modern fictions.

  • #200

    Though I do believe that the classics are evergreen, you cannot actually always put the moderns against the classic ones. We have to give them both their due. Moderns such as Atonement and Things Fall Apart do have their importance.

    • #203

      Though I do believe that the classics are evergreen, you cannot actually always put the moderns against the classic ones. We have to give them both their due. Moderns such as Atonement and Things Fall Apart do have their importance.

      well said, Rahul. Both have the same importance in the field of literature. Whether it’s about classical fiction or a modern one. some of the great works were done by the modern authors as well. So, we can not simply ignore the fact that modern novels are of no worth. classical is evergreen no doubt about that.

    • #230

      Vey well said Rahul. Both have equal importance. Modern and classical novel both emphasizes the idea of surerity.

  • #259

    Surely it should be debating point that which one is good. It is true the work of literature can not compare with each other. But due to some extent, we have to make a decision and start to discuss these things also.
    Modern fictions are a bit of readymade piece. Whereas someone can extract according to their wishes and reality. They can fetch it into their life. For me, there is no universal acceptance for modern novel like the old ones.

    • #263

      Surely it should be debating point that which one is good. It is true the work of literature can not compare with each other. But due to some extent, we have to make a decision and start to discuss these things also.
      Modern fictions are a bit of readymade piece. Whereas someone can extract according to their wishes and reality. They can fetch it into their life. For me, there is no universal acceptance for modern novel like the old ones.

      It is a bit to harsh to say that modern novels have no universal acceptance. Acceptance or denial totally is a matter of the reader’s perception. How they perceive things. Like old novels, modern novels are not clumsy in their ideas but they have a straightforward message. And the reader’s of modern age want this.

  • #267

    Interesting, there is a lot of information have already discussed on this thread. Fictions are of both age has some significant quality. If we need to compare those ages then we need to portrait the picture of that age and their cultural settings. Like in modern change everything has been changed so rapidly. So, the taste of readers has been changed. Lije in classical fiction things has been a little bit slower. In my acknowledgement, this is a major difference.

  • #297

    It will be better to compare novels. One from classical age and one from the modern age.

    • #299

      That’s a nice idea. Why not we should compare the works of two authors. Like, the comparison between Thomas Hardy and any other modern novelist like brown, Roy, Ghosh, Attwood. That will be more informative and comprehensive.

  • #344

    But doing so will drag down this topic to a narrow-angle. These things need to be looked at from a broader perspective. Comparing the novels of only two novelists will ignore the whole insight of other novelists at that time. There should be comprasion between the ages and the sections.

    • #351

      I agree with Kamal’s perspective. We have to ensure that we are into a broader perspective for the discussions that we are having.

  • #359

    I am with Kamal’s point of view. By dragging down this broader topic to only two or three authors will decrease the standard of this thread.
    We must have to ensure the facts for what we are discussing. It is about the comparison between two ages not about merely two or three authors.

  • #361

    Hey guys, I am not trying to drag down this topic to narrower sense. I am just providing a suggestion to do so. Because it is so hard to compare both ages. The ages are too big that’s why I was suggesting to compare one of the novels of both ages.
    It will quite easy to do so and we will get the insight of the ages as well.

  • #368

    Yes, Rahul, you are true in your words. It is not about merely comparing two books of different ages. We can compare the style of writings, themes and ideas.
    Because most of the books in one age are written with same theme and style.

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